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I'm

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a reconnaissance pilot and I just came

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from Tokyo I just landed about

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10 minutes ago at the flight level 510.

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I'd say about halfway in a straight line

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between Tokyo and Hawaii I was about

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halfway I'm not sure I was out of radar

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contact

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just on my own alone there but I started

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but it's very bright out there in the

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ocean and this thing came up to me

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no wings

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about double the length of my airplane I

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would find a phantom that's 411. a

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double the length which would be about

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45 feet

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round shaped uh not circular it's more

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triangular

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but uh no no bottom and no top all or

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equal distance sides of the triangle and

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I want sharp they were sort of rounded

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off edges

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and the ends of it were flat

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and

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no noise no wings

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no trust no windows

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no uh

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you know

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nothing which uh would give a reason to

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fly no appendages of any kind no not

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okay and on the size of a phantom I know

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someone's familiar with them today we do

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have uh very high intensity spotlights

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which are built into the fuselage and

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you can see the side of an aircraft

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they're used to when you're loading up

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bombs at night at the runway you turn

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them on so the guys can see them put the

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bombs underneath them yes and so I turn

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the lights on the side and saw a very

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clear picture of it

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it was there it was my imagination

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good Delight actually reflect off this

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thing or a little bit of the porous

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material probably

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well it looked like sponge rubber so it

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looks like I

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but it was not metallic you could see

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forward in it

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you couldn't see Forest it looked like

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uh

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maybe asphalt would look from a distance

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something like that

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I mean is it that light actually

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illuminated no I just sort of went ahead

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how close is this thing get the closest

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it's got was about

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70 feet from the wings now I have radar

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and it was on radar

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and uh

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the image

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doesn't you know wouldn't reflect that

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close but I it got up to about 50 feet

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from the left wing and then

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as far as about 200 feet they stayed

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there for about a half an hour okay this

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it's roughly

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did you see this as it was coming in

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towards you I didn't see him come up on

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me no I just looked over and it was

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there

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and then I almost came out to the left

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and I thought well I just you know a

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shadow or something so I oh turned on

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all the lights on that side and it was

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definitely there I could see the

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dimension I see the top and the bottom

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and the end of it

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the dimensions of the height I'd say

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oh I'd say probably 10 feet

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10 feet by 10 feet

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okay was this thing laying flat or was

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it to had the Apex up I'd have the Apex

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it always had the Apex up a Beat it

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would slowly rotate an apex I think in

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the all the time we're there

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It Started from the Apex being up to the

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Apex completely rotating around it took

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about 15 minutes to do it I see it would

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move a little bit and stop and move a

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little bit and stop and move a little

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bit and stop it didn't look like that

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was necessary for flight

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it looked like that I think they just I

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think it was just turning for

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I don't know why but it wasn't necessary

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for flight you could tell that and did

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it maintain the same position in

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relation to where I was doing this

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hmm

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more or less you know I'd say

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but it didn't stay close to very long it

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only stayed 50 feet for about a couple

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minutes stayed just out of real good

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sight most the time it seems I might

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sound crazy but they seem to know

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what was good sight and what wasn't for

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me

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I have perfect vision 2020

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and I'm like

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I'm a

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captain of Naval intelligence but I've

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been looking for the CIA for about two

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did you get any buffeting off of this

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no no no

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um

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no buffing no turbulence nothing okay

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how about uh instrument interference no

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perfect okay were you in contact with

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any ground stations for radar check

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uh there's no radar on that area I tried

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three times to see if I was in

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Communications with somebody and asked

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if there was

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aircraft in my area that was you know

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maybe the law of course somebody says no

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close the aircraft it was 40 miles away

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two radar ships but they were both out

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of range and oddly enough he disappeared

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right when I this guy said well you'll

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be arranged about three minutes and

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about a minute after that this guy

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pulled away

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okay did you get the impression you were

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I think I think they're more interested

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in the airplane they weren't me okay but

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I did have that impression yeah

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I also had the impression that they knew

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what was going on

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I mean I know it sounds sounds muddy but

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no one else seems to care about I've

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been fine on my life I know what an

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airplane is and what it isn't there's

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not that many airplanes can go as fast

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as that at that altitude

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first of all

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you know 2.2 is pretty safe

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did you have any unusual physical or

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mental Sensations while all this was

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going on

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the only thing that sort of bothers me

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is I haven't slept for about 30 hours

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but that's not any big deal for me I've

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done a lot before

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I'm just I just coming from

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from two other missions and I just

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hadn't got a chance to sleep and I just

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want to get home so

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I I've been flying a long time but I

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like I say I've done that a lot so it's

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nothing

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I mean I've been able to do that before

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so okay and you definitely say that the

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surfaces that the texture of the surface

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was pitted

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yeah not big coals but it was rough okay

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it wasn't metallic

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what was your altitude uh flight level

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five one zero

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I did climb a little bit to see what

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sort of I was curious 560 000 feet

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almost instantly at that uh if you're

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familiar with that playing a pilot no

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sir well that plane can climb very fast

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it's one of the best planes we have in

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fact it's actual talks he was classified

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but anyways I gave it full power and uh

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put the nose up to 60 000 feet and

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there's only

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maybe eight or ten other aircraft in the

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whole world to keep up with that and

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this thing kept up with no strain at all

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you know

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made no effort at all to kept right next

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to me

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and he started to move almost instantly

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when I did like he knew I was going to

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moved right along with you yeah no

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problem at all now when he left me

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I uh

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I went up 60 000 feet so I stayed there

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for a little while

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and put into a dive to see if I could

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outrun him

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from 60 000 feet to about 49 I got it up

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to about

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three-point something mock which is

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really moving

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he stayed right up with me with no

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problem at all and then the guy said

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well you'll be within radar ranged about

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three or four minutes

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and about a minute after that he pulled

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away from me going forward

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and at least triple the speed with no

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effort at all I mean I mean no

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acceleration he just was there then he

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was back and then he was gone okay

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at the same altitude

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you remember the time on that

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I'd say 12 hours ago no about 10 hours

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and how long did that whole event take

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place

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I'd say all together about half an hour

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20 minutes half an hour

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I did get the time but the time was uh

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Korean time I can't remember whether I

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it would be an hour off if I gave it a

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time like that you're just

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I can't remember if it was 4 AM or 4pm

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it was one of the other Korean time okay

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I can't remember if I reset the clock or

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not when I left Korea

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okay is there any chance of getting your

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name yeah

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um

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anything in case we want to get back to

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being good to my commanding officer and

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he could get to me but I'm not really

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supposed to tell you somebody's going to

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tell you that I was doing this but

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um my commanded officer name was

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and he's uh

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you know I'm always in contact with him

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we just sent to the interior of the Navy

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Department I don't care about for Naval

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intelligence

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okay

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the main thing I want to tell you is he

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this thing had no

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you know like you can sort of tell if an

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aircraft's hat is really working to keep

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up with you speed wise

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I mean it sort of has characteristics

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but this

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had no effort at all keeping up with me

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and there's no lack I mean they can

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accelerator decelerate as fast they want

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to go up and down as fast they want to

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it was not a it defied out a lot of

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aerodynamics there's no reason for it to

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fly

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okay when this thing pulled away from

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you was it uh high speed

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yeah I was next to me

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um within 10 seconds it was a spec

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and uh that's back on the radar

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the radar screen I had is about 150 mile

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range

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I tell their feet exactly it took it uh

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less than 10 seconds to get off the

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radar range less than 10 seconds to go

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150 miles

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I saw it going across the radar range

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and then I then we have a on the radar

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you can

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there's three modes 150 miles there's

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250 miles

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in 500 miles

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so the seat on the 500 mile range I

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upped the range from 150 to 500.

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and the time it took me to flip the

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switch was another three seconds they've

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already gone past the 500 mile range

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because it wasn't on the radar anymore

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which means they've already gone through

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that other ring you can imagine a circle

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500 mile circle around you

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fight

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and we have intelligence later which is

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the best you can get I mean

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you can you can pick up a

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skydiver 400 miles away

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because in you know Free Falling

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skydiving will pick up on our radar

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did this thing leave any Trails it's

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took off

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yeah we have uh

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Hawker heat sensing missiles

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and the heat sensing missile has a

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computer

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which can track the uh exhaust of a jet

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uh exhaust the jet stays in the sky the

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same way away in water stays in water

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you can track it the same way well that

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computer was on too and there was no

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thrust no heat no energy coming from

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this okay but this thing will sense heat

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up to 20 miles away at altitude

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there's no heat coming out of it

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and that's very sensitive also

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I mean you can start up a gasoline

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engine you know in a car 20 miles away

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from this thing and turn on the missile

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and it'll find the Heat and then blow it

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up

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that's awkward it is dude did you get a

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good uh a solid return on your radar

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what surprised me it was perfect

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okay I can tell you that the uh

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just from the research and uh

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Data Bank information that we achieved

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that the

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triangular shaped object is becoming

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quite common

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um

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someone else has seen it the noise the

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triangular shaped object has been seen

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many times

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I have a little surprise that you didn't

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see some kind of colored light system on

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but uh they're getting to be quite a

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common object reported by Witnesses

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do you have any idea where they come

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from

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oh no the those associated in the field

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of ufology are kicking around all kinds

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of

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series some think they're from outer

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space and some things are some sort of a

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uh time travel or something coming from

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another dimension or a parallel universe

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no I mean other people have seen these

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things well it's good to know oh yes

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yeah they've been seen it close range by

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ground Witnesses

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yeah well

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do you have a magazine or anything you

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print

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we put out a a publication periodically

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um can I receive that oh sure

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could you send it to my brother would

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that be okay sure

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um

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sure will do

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yeah I don't know if it helped me to

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tell you this but uh

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the people that approach control in the

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Navy didn't they didn't seem to care

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so

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was this in uh Honolulu Rohan Lulu

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approach control Honolulu Department

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Navy there didn't seem to care the same

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did you get our numbers from the people

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[Music]

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you know I don't know

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well I think that uh the people that are

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associated with the flight controls and

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FAA and so forth they they've been hung

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up you know given so much responsibility

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in this field and has given said giving

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them such a headache over the years they

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just they're trying to get it off of

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their back

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this seems like every time the FAA gets

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uh in the Press associated with UFO

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sightings and these people of the

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various FAA facilities or

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hounded by the public and answering now

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they're doing more time answering the

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phone uh in relation to UFOs and they're

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doing taking care of their job yeah

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yeah I wanted to speed up and get around

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him and see what the other side of this

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thing looks like

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but uh I could not run them

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he could slow down and speed up as fast

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as I could

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a phantom can go from 2.2 Mark to uh 50

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miles an hour in about 10 seconds

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that's how fast you can slow down if you

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wanted to and I tried that and he slowed

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there's very few airplanes that keep up

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with the center

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there's no rushing airplanes that can

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so I either it's one of ours or

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somewhere else but like I said there's

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no reason for it to fly has no energy

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coming out of it no heat no power source

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perfect

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yeah a lot of scientists that are

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working on this fuel that these things

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are associated with some kind of a

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technology which has a laws of physics

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well if anyone reported you know seen

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one up close and touching it oh yes

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it's not a common thing close approaches

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are common but having the opportunity to

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touch one is not but it has happened

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so what it feel like well uh all of

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those that we have on record uh claim

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that uh

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it appeared to them to be a very solid

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someday one of them has to land and talk

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to somebody all right

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well there's claims of that too

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but unfortunately they're just no

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and that's what uh the scientific

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Community wants right now there's a

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mountain of statistical evidence in

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relation to this subject plus a lot of

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photographs and there's some really some

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good films around and uh

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and qualified Witnesses a testimony who

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you know have seen these at close range

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but the scientists in the scientific

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community in general they want physical

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evidence

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well I probably know I'm not crazy at

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least somebody else has seen what I have

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so

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well we sure appreciate the report well